MIKE: Hey, guys! Welcome to MoveU Unfiltered, transforming the way you connect with your body and reigniting that winning mindset that guides you back to the active life you love.
MIKE: What’s up, guys? Andrew, c’mon in!
ANDREW: This is awkward. We’ve got, like, this much.
MIKE: That’s all we got? Ok! Guys, welcome to an awesome episode of MoveU Unfiltered. I’m here, always, with my cohost Andrew.
ANDREW: That’s me.
MIKE: We gotta balance this out, right, ‘cuz here’s what we’re doing, guys — we’re talking to the podcast, which is on all the channels, and we got live going on right now.
ANDREW: Not just live. It’s live from two phones; one’s going to Instagram, the other one’s going to Facebook. So there are actually two different sets of you guys out there. It’s overwhelming.
MIKE: We’re learning about where to look. Do I look here? Do I look here? Do I look here?
ANDREW: The primary is going to be the podcast. Otherwise it’s going to sound and look ridiculous.
MIKE: Yeah, that’s true. So, guys, here’s what we’re gonna do today. Now, I know you guys know us in terms of low-back, core region. But we are going to move on to talk about the five different types of shoulder injuries today. Why would we do that if we do low-back? What do you guys think? It’s because if you guys know us, it’s that we don’t focus – you cannot simply improve, you cannot simply eliminate pain in the back by focusing on the back. That is amateur stuff. The more zoom in on an area, the more of the bigger picture you don’t see! Let’s get into the shoulder injuries. What do you think number one is?
ANDREW: Rotator cuff, the supraspinatus impingement.
ANDREW: Yeah. What the hell does that mean?
MIKE: You know what we do, we draw you guys in with the impingement. That’s what we do. The impingement is just a result of the underlying issue. You can’t simply treat impingement and expect it to go away. That’s why you guys get shots and injections. You get adjustments and it improves it, but not really. Andrew, how’s it looking over there?
ANDREW: It’s good!
MIKE: Is it good?
ANDREW: Facebook is significantly slower than Instagram. Instagram, you’re winning the battle.
ANDREW: Yell at Facebook.
MIKE: Ok, so. What we’re gonna do, guys, we’re gonna cover about the five or six most common shoulder injuries. We’re gunna go what you can do about it and the root causes of it. Then we’re gonna talk about how all of them relate together. So, Andrew mentioned first – impingement. Research shows impingement is the number one shoulder injury that people experience and what impingement is, is impingement is, it’s called impingement, which …
ANDREW: You just said impingement, lik, six times in one sentence.
MIKE: I’m a little off. I gotta find my groove here! There’s a muscle on the top of the shoulder, if you guys are watching you can see it, there’s a muscle on the top of the rotator cuff and what it does is it snakes underneath the acromion and what it does it is connects to that pinch spot that whenever you lift your arm, you do a squat, you do an overhead press, you’re doing pull-ups, you’re doing push-ups, you’re doing bench press, it starts to give you a sharp zap right in the pinpoint spot, right in the front. That’s called impingement.
MIKE: What do you think, Andrew?
ANDREW: You’re right, you covered it.
ANDREW: This topic though, again, it’s just like we covered hip last week. It’s all the same shit.
MIKE: It is. It all goes back to the same fundamental thing about how to eliminate all these. It doesn’t matter the symptom. The symptom just draws you in. You go “I have shoulder impingement,” we just draw you in with that. But, we guide you down the right path. Tell ‘em about that path, Andrew.
ANDREW: It’s a long fucking path. Like, you need to understand what the different parts of your body are doing in order to actually recover from shoulder impingement or whatever other shoulder injury you have. If you have any shoulder injury, it’s for the same damn reasons. We’re gunna cover like five, six, seven different shoulder injuries; they’re all happening because of the same thing, like, 95% of the time.
MIKE: Yeah, it’s all one thing causing like five different things. That’s where they get confused though. I get it. It’s like going through school, learning about all these diseases and injuries, all this stuff. There’s like, “Oh, it’s like this thing out here. Oh, but I have this upper trap issue – ”
ANDREW: “It’s on the top, it’s the front, it’s on the side – ”
MIKE: “It’s on the top, it’s on the front, it’s on the side – ” But, then you Google it, Andrew and … first of all, cancer. Always.
ANDREW: Always cancer.
MIKE: You always end up with cancer when you Google it. “Shit, that’s it! Shoulder cancer.”
ANDREW: So, you got the shoulder impingement on top of the shoulder. You can have labral tears which is, again, just from throwing or moving the arm in terrible position. You’ve got scalene issues in the neck which can actually tug on the AC joint and it’s ridiculous. And the back of the shoulder, the infraspinatus, if we wanna get fancy with words, is gunna overwork because you’re in shitty posture. So because you’re rounded forward and you go to lift your arm up over head, the back rotator cuff has to work harder to get it over head because your shoulder is rolled forward. So, if you can work on getting your shoulder back, that rotator cuff doesn’t have to work as hard. That rotator cuff muscle gets fucked up on just about everybody.
MIKE: Yeah, it does. So let’s cover the _______ grab so they can kinda know where they are with this in a little more detail. So the main source of this is poor scapular control. The scapula is that blade at the back of the shoulder and it’s gotta be maintained in the right position throughout the day and throughout movements of life. Now, if it’s not, compensations occur. These compensations will appear as different symptoms. They’ll show up first as an impingement. Or, they’ll show up for you maybe as deep side pain in the side of the neck. That’s called the scalene muscle right there. That, actually, may have something to do with breathing. Getting into levator scapulae muscle; which that’s that pain like if you guys reach our hand over your shoulder and you grab the back of your shoulder, that’s that nagging pain when you sit – that’s the levator muscle. Andrew, how you doing over there?
ANDREW: I’ve paused the live video.
MIKE: Just keep your hands off of it.
ANDREW: And it’s still paused … keep talking.
MIKE: Alright, oh yeah, we’re still talking. We’re still going here. Ok, so, we have impingement. We have scalene issues in the neck. Remember, guys, all these muscles are attached to the neck. You could have pec minor issue, which is like that deep pec pain, and also have infraspinatus pain in the back. There’s posterior capsular impingement, that pain in the back of the shoulder where when you lift it, like, stabs you in the back of the shoulder. What other possibilities in the shoulder might people be getting?
ANDREW: I missed it all –
MIKE: Radiating arm pain … you missed everything?
ANDREW: Yeah, while I was working on that. Your phone has been dropped in water so many times that it refused to cooperate.
MIKE: My phone has been dropped in water ten times before I chose to get a waterproof case. So, I’m protecting an absolute dysfunctional phone. It doesn’t make sense. But I’m used to it. Like if I had a handicapped child, which I don’t think I have any –
ANDREW: You probably do …
MIKE: But if I had a handicapped child, it’s like you love it and accept it for that. I accept my phone just does weird things. Y’know? He doesn’t understand.
Here’s what we’re gunna do. Let’s get into two shoulder injuries now. Let’s go into something called thoracic outlet syndrome and let’s go into pec minor syndrome. These are simply diagnoses that the root of these are a deeper cause, but let’s talk about just those two right now. So, thoracic outlet syndrome, guys, what it is … It’s defined as when you might lift your arm up or when you might sleep at night, your arm is going numb. It’s getting numbness. The longer your arm is overhead it might fall asleep. Those two may be signs that you have thoracic outlet syndrome or also a pec minor issue. Now, just focusing on those two symptoms, what do you say about those two, Andrew?
ANDREW: I’m starting to get frustrated because you keep asking me what the cause is and I don’t know what else to say –
MIKE: Well, why don’t we go onto breathing?
ANDREW: It doesn’t matter, regardless of the breathing, you’re still in a shitty fucking position. So, you can breathe all you want. We talk about the six different postural components and it all comes down to those regardless.
MIKE: Fine. Do we just start them tight back at step one again? Do you wanna do that?
MIKE: ‘Cuz here’s what we’re trying to do, guys, we created the MoveU method. It’s a guide to eliminate your pain and get back to life. That’s what we made. But we also wanna add a lot of value to you that aren’t in the program yet. What we really want is everyone to go through the program.
ANDREW: So when it comes down to the pec minor/scalene issue, again, you’re rolled forward and you’re probably a chest breather. So you’re overworking both the pec minor and the scalene. Scalene’s right above the clavicle so if you put your fingers on your collarbone and you dig your fingers under there, that’s the scalene muscle that goes all the way up to the jaw bone underneath the mastoid. I don’t even remember –
MIKE: No, scalene goes C3, C5. C3, C5 transverse process. You’re talkin’ SCM goes up there, but it’s also gunna do the same thing.
ANDREW: And then the pec minor is going to grab onto the ribs and pull everything tight. So you’re just overworking. You’re breathing up top. You’re not working on diaphragmic breathing, your belly breathing, and it just continues to tighten up to the point where the muscles are just starting to – it’s like stepping on a hose, a water hose. The muscles start to step on those nerves and prevent the water hose from going down to your fingers, basically. We have people break it up; we’ll have them grab the lacrosse ball, we’ll drill it, we’ll adjust them, whatever, to help open up that tissue, but they go right back into that position because they haven’t relearned these patterns. They haven’t relearned breathing, they haven’t taught themselves to put their shoulders in the correct position. So that’s what it comes down to.
MIKE: The frustration that I’m actually drawing out of Andrew right now is actually acting like one of our patients.
ANDREW: Like you guys.
MIKE: Yeah, I’m acting like you would act towards Andrew right now. “But I have this scalene issue, Andrew. I feel it, it’s right here, it goes down my arm!” And there’s two options, there’s always two. There’s the quick fix, which is pretty much every treatment on the planet; every massage, every adjustment, every one stretch that you do, every one exercise that you try to do. Like, that’s treatment. And then there’s the right way to do it. Your way, you’re looking for that one way. For that one magical thing, you’re looking for that scratch off lottery ticket. You wanna win that 10 grand. All the time you’re spending for that, if just you invest that time into doing it the right way, not only will you resolve virtually every shoulder issue that you have, but you’ll be at a level that will have a massive transformation about the way you move. And when you have a transformation – there’s breakthrough, breakthrough, breakthrough – which leads to transformations. That means your mind is at a place, a higher level, and you can actually never go back to that previous position. Just like as your education increases. You’re now at a higher level and it’s the same with the way our bodies move. Because, really, your scalene … I could give you guys, “yeah, you’re head is sticking forward causing your scalene to act up. So, push it back.” But, the problem with that is it only addresses one out of the seven postural components. You got six more that aren’t connected to that one. Which is why the right way to do it is to start with the postural components. Do we have a chart on that one for our viewers? Nah, we don’t, actually.
ANDREW: We have people work on the feet and the glutes and where their knees are and everything and that matters when it comes down to what’s going on with your neck and your mid-back and everything. Because if your feet are not in the correct place, then your pelvis is going to end up rolling forward or rolling back, you can’t maintain neutral position if your lower half is falling apart. Now, if the pelvis falls forward, your belly is going to distend, your core disengaged. Then your upper body is starting to fall forward. So, everything works up and down. You have to get the upper body in alignment and you have to get the lower body in alignment and they need to work together. If you have a shoulder injury, you can’t just work on the shoulder. People come in here, or in the MoveU Method, and we have them start with the same base components, going through those six components.
MIKE: It’s like, I started to use this as an example – you guys are all familiar with martial arts? Maybe tae kwon do? Maybe most people know that process. Myself, I trained jiu jitsu. I wanted to learn all these MMA moves. Like, how do I get this person in a freakin’ chokehold? And they’d go, “Well, first of all, if you don’t control the person on the ground, you’re never gonna get an opportunity to get them in that position.” So, it all starts with a white belt with understanding the basic components; which is controlling the opponent on the ground. Now when you control that person – notice the word “control” – now techniques and submissions build off of that control. Just the same way with your shoulder pain, that scapula stability, that shoulder blade strength, controlling that is the first step. That’s the soil, that’s the fertile soil in which you can grow proper movement from. I said that well.
MIKE: I was like, “I’m proud of myself, that was good.” So the mold that we’re breaking though, this is the mold that if, literally, I could just shake every one of you out there … and the problem is the medical model and alternative care and your Google searching, it’s like this exhausting search for a quick fix. Because the medical model goes, “Oh, your shoulder hurts? MRI shoulder, it shows this. We’re gunna do this to your shoulder.” How you doin’?
MIKE: He knows me enough to just back away. For you listeners, I’m like doing a motion at Andrew and I’m so close to his head that he can, like, feel it.
ANDREW: He just flails his arms around. Y’know that neuro guy, Josh?
ANDREW: He called this thing that you do a condition. I said, “I don’t want it to go away though.” He had, like, this long word for it.
MIKE: So we have this awesome chiropractic neurologist that we’re working with and what he does is assess inner ear and he assesses –
ANDREW: Brain stuff. Not just inner ear, but brain.
MIKE: Brain. He assesses the brain and how it relates to the body. It’s fascinating, actually.
ANDREW: So cool.
MIKE: It’s so cool and he is going to be taking over CaliSpine. So, CaliSpine prevails. We’re excited about it. But anyway, he says I have a condition and I’m nervous about it. I don’t want him to help me because this condition has gotten me this far in life.
ANDREW: He says “that’s why he’s so manic.” Too much dopamine.
MIKE: If you take this condition away from me, I’ll be sitting on a beach with a mojito in my hand, failing. I’m afraid of it. I want to keep it. I’m afraid to have an assessment. He told me to do some test where I just kinda stick my thumb up and do some …
ANDREW: I have to do this one, I have to go …
MIKE: For you listeners, here’s what I’m doing: I’m holding my hand up like I’m shooting a pistol and I’m sticking my thumb up in the air. I’m giving like a distant thumbs up to someone really far away. Like, distant. I’m supposed to roll my head; rotate left, rotate right.
ANDREW. While looking at the thumb …
MIKE: While looking at my thumb.
ANDREW: And everyone’s got these different patterns and it all comes down to the weakness in the eyes. So if your eyes are weak turning to your upper left then your body is going to compensate for that in some way, like you’re going to end up putting more weight on one side versus the other, forward or backward. So, just because your vision is weaker looking in a certain direction or the other, your whole body is compensating for it. Like, your weight is shifting to the left. It’s really cool.
MIKE: It’s really cool. I’m excited to learn a little more about that. And when he advances, when he learns more himself, he’s gonna help streamline this stuff and make it available to everybody.
ANDREW: ‘Cuz he talks to us like he’s a physicist. We have no idea what he’s talking about.
MIKE: I was like, “Dude, I don’t even know. “I don’t know any of those words.” That’s not what I know best.
ANDREW: He’s like, “I dunno how to explain this.” He gets frustrated with himself.
MIKE: It’s funny. ‘Cuz there was that patient yesterday and he was talking to him with all those words and I was like, “He didn’t hear one word you said.”
ANDREW: I know, I’m like, “What are you doing, dude?”
MIKE: He’s telling like, “Pain? Pain gone.” “You want pain away?” What are you, a car mechanic? “Alright, it’s like this. You got a rattling part. Here’s how to make it stable.”
ANDREW: Dull it down.
MIKE: It’s called the curse of knowledge and I’m sure you guys deal with that, too, in your field. And what the curse of knowledge is, is like, no matter what it is that you know about … let’s say that, in our profession, let’s say that what you know about the body is a zero and what we know is a ten. You’re probably somewhere else on the scale, but for the sake of this … now the curse of knowledge means that we have to explain it to you, it means that we try to dull it down to explain it to you, but we take it from a ten to a seven, but we really think it’s a zero. So that gap between the zero and the seven that’s the curse of knowledge, that’s the disconnect. So, we’re always trying to find ways to communicate with you much more simply. In as few words as possible.
ANDREW: It’s tough.
MIKE: It’s tough. But, it’s getting easier. It takes a lot of time to do that.
ANDREW: [Inhales deeply] Shoulder. Forgot about it. Got more excited about the eyes.
MIKE: That was interesting. Well, you know, like myself with my shoulder. So you guys know, I was trained in jiu jitsu last June and I fell on my shoulder doing a little judo training. I fell on my AC joint. We didn’t talk about that shoulder injury. It’s the same shit. Doesn’t matter your diagnosis. Right? ‘Cuz a great mentor will not lead you down a side path. A great mentor’s gunna streamline the process to you getting to where you’re trying to go. And so what we’re trying to tell you is the streamlined process. Myself? I fell on my shoulder, I consider myself pretty advanced with motion, like generally speaking. But, I had to go back to the basics. Again, I had to go lay on the ground. I had to focus on scapula control with my core brace and I’ll tell you what though … my AC joint, Andrew. That thing let’s you know if I’m one degree off. ‘Cuz pain is actually a great learning tool. ‘Cuz pain is going to tell you precisely what’s going wrong.
ANDREW: Oh yeah.
MIKE: If you have no pain, you actually may be a little cursed. ‘Cuz you’re like doing pushups and bench and your forms like shit. And there’s no feedback to you other than the next day you go, “Ahh, I did bench press – my traps feel good.” I’m like ughh, good God, that’s not good. But good feedback is if you get that shoulder impingement, you know you’ve got control of that impingement when you can do overhead presses, when you can do pushups, when you can do bench press, when you can do pull ups, when you can do those pain free. That is a sign that you have control, again, over your shoulder. ‘Cuz that pain doesn’t usually just disappear. When you have an injury, guys, keep in mind – it’s called “cumulative trauma,” I gotta work on a better word. It’s accumulation, right?
ANDREW: Still at a seven there.
MIKE: It’s a seven. You’re doing something wrong, a little bit, for years and finally it hits a pain threshold. ‘Cuz to feel pain with an impingement in that shoulder, guys, usually that muscle – that supraspinatus muscle that gets torn and inflamed – it usually has to be ground down significantly before your body even alerts you of pain. What that means is it’s been building up for years. By the time you feel pain, you probably have long term damage in your shoulder and that’s just the way it is. That’s just a new thing that you have now. It doesn’t go away. There’s no cure for this stuff, there’s no cure to pain. ‘Cuz pain is not a disease. I got two cameras here and I got a microphone and I’m looking at myself in the mirror –
ANDREW: He’s obsessed.
MIKE: I do that though! I don’t like that mirror. Lemme put that mirror behind the phone.
ANDREW: That’s a good idea.
MIKE: So by the time you feel this pain, this grinding, it’s an alert that you’ve actually worn down an area of your body. Now, what you do from that day going forward matters. There’s no cure ‘cuz there’s damage forever and it’s not depressing either. It just means that you have to heighten and take your movement level three or four levels up. And when you know how to control all the motions, you now are in control of your shoulder. You’re in control of whether you have pain or not. If you don’t get control of your limbs and your body, you’re going to have pain forever and it will keep getting worse. Then you’re going to seek refuge in treatments and shots and pills, trying to be relieved, but in reality all you’re doing is relieving yourself to death. It’s this mediocre downhill spiral of you slowly eliminating hobbies and activities that you once loved. I don’t play baseball anymore; I’m just a pinch hitter instead of playing in the field. Or I don’t run marathons. Or I don’t – what?
ANDREW: I was just seeing how many times you looked at yourself in the mirror.
MIKE: Could you move that mirror really quick? Is that possible? Guys, ok, I have an issue and it’s not an ego thing, I dunno what it is –
ANDREW: It’s called narcissism.
MIKE: If there’s a mirror, I watch myself talk. I don’t mean to. I’m not, like, admiring myself in it. I dunno what it is. Now I can look at everybody else. I’m talking mostly about the supraspinatus muscle. Let’s reverse engineer the equation to get out of shoulder pain. So you have pain. Alright? You have impingement. You have scalene issues. You’ve got rotator cuff in the back. You’ve got labral tear. Maybe you’ve had a surgery that hasn’t worked out too well or only bought you a couple years of time. Maybe you have weightlifter shoulder, which is a grinding down of the distal clavicle over time. How you doin’, Andrew? What’re you doin’?
ANDREW: Your phone just stopped doing Instagram. It crashed.
MIKE: Did you load it back up?
ANDREW: Do you want me to?
MIKE: Yeah, I was struggling with Instagram yesterday. Ok, so, where was I? The reverse engineering process. So you have a pain and now what’s happened is not just that impingement pain; that’s just the primary pain that you feel right now. Here’s how we know there’s more because once we do work – like if I can help somebody, help them relieve the pain from the supraspinatus, the impingement – they’re then gunna feel pain in another part of the shoulder. What your body does is it’s gonna highlight the area that hurts the most and whenever that goes away, your body is going to find the next area that hurts. It’s just like when you’re sick. I dunno about you, Andrew, but when I’m sick it reminds me of every injury I’ve ever had for the past 20 years.
MIKE: I’m like, “oh, I forgot about that knee.”
ANDREW: Yeah, when I destroyed my back I was sick for, like, a month. On top of, like, my ankle hurting, my shoulder, my hip impingement started coming in. Everything just hit me all at once.
MIKE: Mhm. So, I’m kinda backing people out of this reverse. When they finally feel pain, let’s say it’s impingement, right? So, the first step really is going back to those fundamentals. It has to be. You gotta leave your ego at the door and you have to go back to that white belt level. And what white belt level is, this is what Andrew was explaining before, it starts with the ability to brace your core. Because if your core is unbraced, if you have an arched lower back – which 70% of you do, probably from sitting for the first twelve years of your life, if not more – when you have that arched lower back, the compensated motion is that your shoulders roll forward. It has to. The spine compensates. So when the shoulders roll forward, now you close down the space in the front of the shoulder and when that space is closed down, grinding occurs there. Hence you’re feeling impingement. Also, your pec minor gets tight and your scalene gets tight. It’s all the same exact thing. With MoveU, we start with the core. We always start with the core first. That’s where the center of that nucleus is. The nucleus is the center.
MIKE: That’s what the nucleus is. And I don’t even like that word, “nucleus,” for this discussion.
ANDREW: There’s protons and neutrons and electrons …
MIKE: Yes. Those, too. Alright, so, it starts with if you can use your core to get your hips in the right position. What this does in exchange is it relieves tension in your upper back and allows you to more properly … or allows you to pull your shoulder blades into the right positon with – with, I don’t want to say “with ease,” but it’s easier … than without it. Blegh. That derailed there.
ANDREW: And it got ugly.
MIKE: It got ugly. So we got over two points, right? To go back to the basics. We got the core bracing. The shoulder blade stability. And then your head, if the head is sticking fourteen inches forward, guys – which each one of you probably has two, three inches of head carriage – here’s the numbers, ok? It’s just a simple physics equation. If your head weighs twelve pounds, for every inch it goes forward it doubles in weight. So if your twelve pound head goes three inches forward, it now weighs 833 pounds.
MIKE: Do the math. And where do you think all that weight goes when your heads forward? Your 800 pound head. It’s all on your upper traps and shoulders. So you cannot expect to get better without improving your posture. It doesn’t work like that. Then it goes into – what are our seven other postures? Our pelvic tilt, the ability to neutralize your pelvis. The core brace. Shoulder blade control. The head position.
ANDREW: The glute, the hinge.
MIKE: Oh yeah, the glute muscles. ‘Cuz the glutes, when they fire, they pull your hips into a neutral position. The glutes and the hip hinge is the way you bend first. If you don’t hip hinge correctly, you roll yourself all the way forward.
MIKE: And balance. Those are the fundamentals that must be mastered. Piece by piece. One at a time. So posture is not standing up straight or sitting. Posture is a sum of all its individual parts. Any complex movement has several components that form a complex movement and the only way to learn a complex movement such as posture is to study each piece individually. And then over time what happens is that your body starts linking them together. And when you link them enough together that’s when you have breakthrough transformation. That’s when posture has improved and when you are in the correct position with your shoulders, when everything is in alignment, we call the Six Check Points, right? The Six Check Points are: when you stand up, in every movement you make, head position is my ear should be back over my shoulder, which should be over my hip, knee, ankle. It’s a vertical line. When you’re in that position, that is your fertile soil for you to grow strength from. But a lot of you are not in that position. Not with shoulder issues. I just hear beeping noise from UPS or FedEx right now.
ANDREW: Amazon, c’mon.
MIKE: Amazon’s here! [Pause] So that’s how you go back to the fundamentals. You guys can find quick fix options out there all over the place. Have fun with ‘em. We don’t do it here. ‘Cuz we know it doesn’t work long run. How’s it lookin’, Andrew?
ANDREW: Tell them Instagram’s sad day. Tell ‘em what’s going on.
MIKE: On Instagram live?
MIKE: Guys, on Instagram live, it’s a sad day for Instagram live. My phone is, like, crashing or something.
ANDREW: We’re doing a live video cast. We’re doing our podcast. We’re recording it.
MIKE: So for those of you guys who dunno what’s going on, every Monday now we’re gonna be putting up our weekly calendar of events up. And that weekly calendar is going to show if we’re in your town, what video cast we were doing, what webinars we’re gonna be doing and what time. So use that every day. We’re setting up to be your primary channel for health, wellness, fitness, wellbeing. That’s what we’re doing; we’re here for you for that. We’re here to start a movement and to get out of that medical mindset. You guys have that quick fix, fix my shoulder mindset. It doesn’t work. That’s why we’re out of doing the clinical stuff right now. A true transformation happens when you’re in total control of your own body, you don’t need to ask us questions. You start answering your own questions.
ANDREW: Mhm. Did you cover the shoulder? The whole Amazon thing, I have no idea what was going on.
MIKE: Andrew was like signing Amazon packages, going to the bathroom, taking a nap in the corner. I went back to the fundamentals with them.
ANDREW: Good. They need that.
MIKE: I guess we can get into – I know they need that! They all need that. I believe that if every human being went through the MoveU Method, I can’t even put a number on how many surgeries, injuries, drugs – we’re gathering those stats, by the way, right now you guys. We’ve been running the MoveU Method since November and we have well over 100 people that have enrolled in the program and got in and it is a life transforming story every day.
MIKE: It’s cool. It drives us. It’s our passion and our fuel. But, that’s part of the process. Let’s say someone does have shoulder injury, shoulder pain and it’s bad. Here’s what we do know: it’s unlikely that you’re gonna do it on your own. It just is. It’s unlikely you’re gonna do it alone. That’s why, for example, whatever your views on CrossFit are, just look at the strict community that’s built around CrossFit. The culture. They all know each other. They have parties together. They’re a family. And what happens is they work out together, they rely on each other. That community in there is, I think, very overlooked. People outside of CrossFit don’t give them credit for that. Despite how many injuries you think people get with CrossFit, that community is so powerful. But that community also drives people, it’s an accountability tool.
MIKE: It’s accountability. So what we did with MoveU Method that I didn’t even know was gonna be so big is that we started private Facebook communities and there’s 50 or 100 people in each group and everyone is doing it together. When people have a setback, 20 people jump on and they encourage the other person. It is like this community. Andrew made the game plan, right. He goes, “These are the steps that it takes to get out of pain and back into an active life.” It takes three months to finish it, 100 and some hours to do it, right? That’s what it takes. But, just going through the program alone, you’re not as likely to succeed as going through having the community. Because the community is there to support you. Just like whenever you go through college or classes, right? You’re not doing it by yourself, you’re with a group. The group is so important. So don’t think if you failed at your shoulder injury, you feel helpless, you probably just haven’t had the community. I’ll tell you what community is not. It’s not walking into your physical therapist. That’s not your community. Because of regulations with HIPAA and stuff, you can’t even legally introduce each other. It’s so depersonalized and so compartmentalized that it literally washes the community out. And that’s why you get washed out results.
ANDREW: Mhm. Mmmhm.
MIKE: That’s why the results are washed out. We now know that to be true. After 17 years of myself doing this. After working with thousands of people. After my own frustrations about why people weren’t getting better in our office. And then after creating MoveU online and putting the method online, wrapping a community around it and I go, “holy shit.” This community is like this: you got a vehicle, you wanna get from point A to point B uphill. Andrew lays out the steps in the MoveU Method. He goes, “this is the trail.” But, here’s the thing. You’ll probably run out of gas before you get to the top, but the fuel is the community. That’s the fuel, that’s the 93 octane that keeps you engaged the whole way through the process. It’s like the magic piece.
ANDREW: It’s cool.
MIKE: I dunno, doing it for pain. Everything is so regulated. There’s so much regulation that medical can’t do it. That’s why MoveU’s not a medical company. We don’t even care about your symptoms. We teach you how to move.
ANDREW: Real, real good movement.
MIKE: We teach you real good movement.
ANDREW: Sexy movement.
MIKE: Sexy movement. That voice, Andrew.
MIKE: There you go.
ANDREW: There it is.
MIKE: Deal with it. Shoulder. We went over, kinda went over each injury. But, I mean, if you guys want things to do with the shoulder … like, right now? Let’s say you have a little bit of shoulder pain and I get it, not all of you are going to go back and start at the basics right now. It’s not imperative to your life, right? So, you can go to MoveU.com and go to our free exercise library. Hit shoulder movements and you’ll see we have like 3, 400 videos in that library. So you can go through shoulder stuff, you can go through some mobility stuff. I would go through every single exercise. And understand that there is a common theme to every movement we teach you guys on Instagram. Everything has a common theme to it. The people on MoveU Method know what that common theme is. I don’t know if you do yet.
MIKE: But if you go through every one of our videos, I want to you to really think about what the common theme is. What do we pull you back to every time? We grab you out here, put a little hook out here for you. Back pain. Shoulder pain. Impingement. Disc issues. Scoliosis. I put these hooks out here for you to bite and when you bite, what I do is I reel you in. We reel you in and it’s challenging for us to do on Instagram, but we try. The people on MoveU Method know. We reel you in and now what we do is we redirect your path. So we redirect you. ‘Cuz remember, a great mentor … and we aspire to be your movement mentors. I have 4, 5 of my own mentors. Everybody has mentors in their life. Life is short. We only have so much time, so much energy to spend running around chasing bread crumbs all over the place. So, we aspire to be your movement mentors. A great mentor can get your somewhere that could have taken you 10 years on your own to help you get there in 3. By not giving you shortcuts or side paths, but streamlining your process to recovery. So you can go to shoulder movements and you can learn, you’ll learn stuff. You’ll learn how to stretch your pec minor out. You’ll learn how to do your levator scapulae. You’ll learn how to lacrosse ball, foam roll and stuff. You’ll learn about some shoulder blade movements. Every video is going to help you. ‘Cuz that’s what people still do. They go, “how about we do AC joint.” In my head I’m like, “Dude, every video we’ve ever done is AC joint.” You get it? Every video we’ve ever posted to you is for that thing that you think you have.
ANDREW: It’s cool, yeah. I agree.
MIKE: You just haven’t connected those dots yet. It doesn’t matter if you have shoulder pain. If we’re teaching you how to do a glute bridge, we’re actually helping your shoulder by doing that ‘cuz you’re linking up all the pieces of the body. The body gears are like watch gears – you have all these geas, but they all work together. You can’t just remove one. If you do, nothing else works. If you remove one like “what’s so special about this gear?” Nothing is special about this gear, but when it syncs in with the rest of them it all turns. And when you understand how all those gears work together … you gotta pull out one, understand it. Pull out one, understand it. And when they all sync together you have massive transformation, pain free. Not only pain free, but set up to be smart, to move intelligently, to progress yourself physically, to improve your posture, and not only that, but to succeed in life. ‘Cuz with this same process, you can now use these skills to succeed in your career or to succeed in becoming the athlete you wanna be.
ANDREW: That’s pretty solid. Mic drop.
MIKE: Is that it?
ANDREW: Yeah, it’s great.
MIKE: How long have we been going for? We’ve been going for, like, 40 minutes!
ANDREW: Instagram didn’t work.
MIKE: I had problems with it yesterday.
ANDREW: Yeah, just, nothin’.
MIKE: So, well, let’s make sure we got enough value to them. So, we went over, briefly, ‘cuz we’re not going to focus on your symptoms so much. That’s not what we do at MoveU, ‘cuz we know that doesn’t matter. People are always like, “Can I send you my MRI?” I don’t care.
MIKE: I used to listen to people just tell them their story just ‘cuz I was supposed to be nice. They’re talking about their story ‘cuz here’s the thing – this is brutal, you ready? Oh yeah, guys! So, I’m in Toronto this weekend and we’re going to do a MoveU meetup in Toronto. It’s gonna be freakin’ awesome. So if you’re in Toronto, follow us on Facebook. It’s gonna be great. Gonna be with Vinnie Rehab. Who is Vinnie Rehab? He runs MioDetoxClinics. I freakin’ trust that guy, I know his mindset is absolutely solid. I know he puts out massive quality. So he’s set to be the most trusted healthcare facility in the country/world and I believe he’s going to do it. So I’m going to be hanging out with Vinnie Rehab this weekend. We’re going to be talking about how we can merge together and ultimately help spread this movement to people. To give them the truth. Oh, ok. Imagine, guys, people find out – they go, “oh, yeah, he’s the Doctor Mike, he does sports injury, chiropractic.” Dude, if somebody finds out I do that, they literally are going to rifle off to me their entire health history.
ANDREW: Like at a party?
MIKE: Literally, dude, if I don’t stop somebody instantly … literally. The older they are, the longer the story. Period. That’s why I like 8-year-olds. ‘Cuz nothing. Literally, they don’t give a shit about me, nothin’. Walk right up to me, “Look, my shoulder pain here it started like 8 years ago. It’s hitting this baseball pitch right and this ‘click’ noise. And this ‘click’ noise is like that. But then 6 years ago I was in this car accident … “ and they rattle off. And I’m not kidding you, they’ll go for 20 fucking minutes.
MIKE: I can see it in their mouth though. It’s like they got a mouth full of air coming up to me, I can see it. They take this deep breath in and what I do is I just put my hand up like woah! I understand you wanna tell me your entire health history, but I can tell you this to save you your time and my time. That stuff doesn’t matter. Because what matters is what you’re willing to do going forward. That’s what matters. Because the reason it doesn’t matter about your health history is this: it’s still your body, you can take control of it. And by you discovering, self-discovery, by you discovering how your body moves in a systematic way, you’ll be able to answer all your own questions about why. There’s no words I can say to change people’s life. You can’t say “do this exercise, it’ll change your life.” It doesn’t work. There’s no magic words. There’s no El Dorado of exercises that we hide from you guys. It’s the process, it’s the motivation, it’s the inspiration. It’s finding out why you wanna do it. That why? Yeah, your shoulder hurts. What do you wanna do? I wanna play soccer. Why? Well, I’ve always wanted to become this pro, because I’ve seen myself in visions – you get that why, you draw it outta somebody. That why is more important than any exercise. Why is gonna drive you up. You just remind yourself every fucking day of that why. Why it’s there. I know I got my why. You got your why?
ANDREW: [Imitating] You got your why?
ANDREW: Hey, you want some why?
MIKE: You want some why?
MIKE: Oh man. Alright, that was interesting. I started off very anxious. I dunno why. I was like, “Andrew, say something!”
ANDREW: Yeah, ‘cuz we were gonna talk about the shoulder.
MIKE: We did.
ANDREW: Yeah. It’s great.
MIKE: Because these little things, like … if you guys, literally, it’s every movement. I even notice myself; I lay on my stomach and read books. And, Andrew, my shoulders … like, dude, if you can get that shoulder blade pulled down and back. You’d be surprised by how shrugged up your shoulders are. And they’re like that always.
MIKE: Once you get that transformation though, you tinker with your movements 24/7. And when you tinker 24/7 that’s when you learn and have breakthroughs.
MIKE: It’s not a mic drop ending, but it’s something.
ANDREW: It’s great.
MIKE: Alright, guys, remember shoulder day. We went over common shoulder injuries. We went over root causes. Over the process to get out of pain and back to an active life. And if you’re in Toronto, we would love to meet you. Andrew’s not coming. I would love to meet you this weekend. We’re going to have a cool event with Vinnie Rehab. Probably going to do some speaking, some movements, some Q&A stuff. I’m here to help you, I wanna know who you are ‘cuz most of the time I’m just looking at a camera.
ANDREW: Two tiny looking Apple symbols.
MIKE: Two tiny little camera lenses and I’m looking at a podcast mic. It’s impersonal and now we’re gonna be running these ‘round the country about doing meetups and offering value. Getting to know you, shaking hands, and just excited to learn how else we can help you out.
MIKE: Alright, guys. Thank you very much. Until next time!
MIKE: Take control of your back pain today. Go to MoveU.com, register for the free live webinar. Learn the three-step method that stops pain and get back to the life you love.
Follow us on Instagram @moveu_official and on Facebook as MoveU. Guys, share this podcast, Instagram with somebody who you know can benefit from it. As always, thank you for your support. We love you guys. If you love the podcast and think we’re doing a great job, please take a second and write us a review on iTunes. I want to end with saying something important to you. We acknowledge you as somebody who demands a life of excellence and never settles for mediocracy. Mic drop.